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  Does ANYTHING About JWs Make Sense To You?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i've been thinking about why people become jehovah's witnesses and why they remain in the religion.. it seems like almost everything they believe in is flawed.. the chronology, which this religion is founded on is a problem.. their understanding of bible prophecy is pathetically funny.

  they teach everything in prophetic bible books ultimately apply to them.. their belief that the "faithful & discreet slave class" exists is ridiculous.

  in all fairness, they cannot 'prove" anything they say about their organization as being "truth".

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  Yep -jaguar/blues/minimus ---- those are good points - my great grandparents on both sides were witnesses ----so each successive generation just knew what was expected of them. no need to forge new pastures....either you do what's right or you don't. No thinking or parenting necessary.

  WTWiz - 100% agree with you there.

  Tec/Blues - Well put - they appeal to our natural desires to be a decent member of society and have a bond with our fellow humans, it's natural to want to know who God is too. - They teach you a bunch of "false doctrine" that no one cares about anyway, then clarify it and you think you learned something new........lol

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  "they need the truth"

  by rockmehardplace in

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  i always hated that saying.

  as a jw, didnt we believe everyone needed it.

  but you would always have brother or sister so and so talking about how miserable someone was, or the problems they had and it always ended with " they need the truth".

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  lol you guys!

  yep heard and said those my whole life.......if they were already nice then why would they need the truth? to make them more nice?......lol.

  here's another......when someone was acting less than a stellar witness the righteous ones in the congo would say "they just don't know jehovah"

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  Did Jesus have ALZHEIMER'S? Or, just a really short attention span?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  during jesus' farewell address in chapters 13-17 of john we discover jesus doesn't have a very good short-term memory or attention span.. john 13:36.

  36 simon peter asked him, lord, where are you going?

  jesus replied, where i am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.

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  lol Terry alzheimers is right - once I started reading the bible w/o interference I was amazed at how much "information" I had "learned" was false. The bible is full of crap with some good moral stories thrown in for good measure.

  If God's ways are higher than our ways, how come we find all of his mistakes?

  I agree with you Jeff - If there is a God couldn't he find a way to express himself in a way that would appeal to us logically and without error? I would expect someone who created me to be able to do that. But if he didn't create us and we created him that explains all of the confusion.

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  true comfort by telling me they are dead?

  by rockmehardplace in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was at work over the weekend finishing up a project with my boss.

  we needed the weekend because he had to take off a few days during the week for a funeral.

  on saturday, he asked me what jw's believe about death.

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  The bible does say that we return to dust. However, I think the belief that our family and friends have disintegrated into nothing is very painful.

  The bible also says that our spirit goes back to god after we die. I have always thought it more comforting to believe that our loved ones have passed on to another level of existence and are awaiting our arrival. I don't know if that is true but it is more comforting.

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  UNITED NATIONS CHARTER read in all congregations at beginning of SPECIAL TALK

  by Life is now in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  then 1 thessalonians 5 read about 'peace and security'.

  the speakers instructed not to embellish the statements.. 'noble sentiments' was mentioned about the un charter but no criticism.. followed by the need for god's kingdom.. it sounded more like an advert for the un to me.

  did anyone else hear it?

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  Not sure if this was a requirement. 5 of my relatives gave this talk today (i went to one and asked about 2) and this was not read. I'll find out about the other 3 later (different states).

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  Newbie Here

  by Bluegill in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wanted to introduce myself.

  i've been lurking for 3-4 years.. i was baptized in 1981 and served as a ms and regular pioneer for some time.

  started fading around 7 years ago when we moved to a different part of the country.

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  Hey there Bluegill, it's great to have you with us. That is sooooo cool that most of your family is out with you and your wife. Isn't this board great !! I too lurked for a while before registering.........so glad I finally jumped in the pool

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  Submission and stupid rules

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what a load of crap this stupid belief was.

  i'll give you a couple of examples.

  i was the sign language interpreter for our congregation and there was about 15-20 deaf who regularly showed up.

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  garyneal - yes what emptyinside says it totally true. In my home congregation there were lots of families. There were many mornings where no mature brothers were out and my brothers and cousins had to take out the group. It was really ridiculous. They were so uncomfortable and giddy. But it was considered a part of their training. And the older sisters would fawn over them, actually relieved they didn't have to conduct.

  As they got into the teen years though, that submission thing was turned on its head. If the older sisters didn't like the way the young brothers arranged the car group or divided the territory, things would get ugly..............so much for submission.

  ladylee - yep, and if the baptized 10 yr old wasn't able to take out the group, it was so crazy watching the sisters look for something to throw on their head..........lol

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  Does ANYTHING About JWs Make Sense To You?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been thinking about why people become jehovah's witnesses and why they remain in the religion.. it seems like almost everything they believe in is flawed.. the chronology, which this religion is founded on is a problem.. their understanding of bible prophecy is pathetically funny.

  they teach everything in prophetic bible books ultimately apply to them.. their belief that the "faithful & discreet slave class" exists is ridiculous.

  in all fairness, they cannot 'prove" anything they say about their organization as being "truth".

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  I agree with the comments above and want to add:

  If you leave, Jehovah and Jesus and the angels will abandon you

  If you leave, we (the congregation) will not speak to you

  If you leave, we (your parents and family) will not love you

  If you leave, you will be alone for the rest of your life and die................

  Nothing has to make sense because you are so afraid.

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  Submission and stupid rules

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what a load of crap this stupid belief was.

  i'll give you a couple of examples.

  i was the sign language interpreter for our congregation and there was about 15-20 deaf who regularly showed up.

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  In pioneer school and Bethel it was drummed into the sisters that we could not tell a brother what to do. We could at best humbly suggest it and then it was up to the brother(s) whether or not to follow our suggestion. Also, there was a CO who made the biggest issue (from the platform) about sisters not correcting a brother who gave the wrong answer during the meeting.

  He said , "Friends when a brother makes an error, who are the first ones to raise their hands to correct him? It's the sisters isn't it? Wouldn't it be better if the sisters look around and wait to see if another brother will make the correction before stepping out of their place and taking matters into their own hands?" All of the sisters (including me) were nodding dutifully.

  But then later our PO (who fancied himself a liberal elder) said (from the platform) that he couldn't believe some insist a sister can't correct a brother. He said, "It is absolutely appropriate for a sister to correct a brother............as long as she does so respectfully"

  There was another incident where we (the sisters) had prepared lunch for the CO's visit. These sisters had worked so hard to prepare various dishes and have them warm and ready. Well the CO's wife had all of these allergies so the sisters altered their recipes on her behalf and managed to come up with a full menu. The CO walks in from the other side (double kingdom hall) and comes up to me and asks "how many meats are there" The sisters (many of whom were elderly and poor) looked scared to death. I told him there was one meat available but lots of side dishes and soups/stews. As he holds up two fingers in my face, he says "There should be two meats" The sisters were scrambling around trying to figure out what to do. I was seething inside as I left and bought chicken to go with the ham.

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  Mortgage crisis and increased consumer spending

  by PrimateDave in

  1. social
  2. current

  i just read this piece at financial armageddon: .

  more about that 'healthy' consumer spendingi've highlighted posts at the market ticker, business insider's the money game, and housingwire which have suggested that one reason why americans can afford to keep on spending in the face of 20 percent underemployment and stagnant incomes is because many of them have decided to stop paying the mortgage.. now, yves smith, publisher of another one of my daily must-read blogs, naked capitalism, and author of econned, a great new book on how we got into the mess we are in, is also weighing in on the subject.

  in the following excerpt from "strategic defaults increase consumer spending," yves reveals some of the eye-opening tidbits that others have passed along to her:.

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  PrimateDave - I hear you. but sadly this system is going down fast. We can only hope for god's kingdom to straighten things out soon before we have to suffer any more than we already have............just kidding.

  I have to admit I just don't get this economic crisis. Every step designed to help seems to make matters worse. Or no one is benefitting from it. I keep hearing about how those packages to help the homeowners have helped just a handful of people. Because the banks took that money and ran without a care about how to assist the homeowner. It's really pathetic. And everything has a trickle effect too.

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